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Ein Raum mit mehreren Schichten: Johanna Odersky veröffentlicht "The Itch"
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EIN RAUM MIT MEHREREN SCHICHTEN:
JOHANNA ODERSKY VERÖFFENTLICHT “THE ITCH”

Unmittelbar vor dem Launch von Johanna Oderskys neuem Album, welcher im Projektraum Ashley in Berlin stattfand, traf ich mich zu einem Gespräch mit der Künstlerin und Musikerin in ihrem Studio außerhalb der hektischen Großstadt. Gemeinsam erkundeten wir die Facetten von Räumen, Emotionen und die transformative Wirkung des Samplings auf ihre künstlerische Praxis.

 

Marc Jauss: Wo befinden wir uns gerade?

Johanna Odersky: In meinem Kunststudio in Französisch Buchholz, Berlin.

MJ: Mit welchen Themen beschäftigst du dich zur Zeit in deiner Arbeit?

JO:  In den letzten Jahren bin ich zwischen einer bildhauerischen und einer musikalischen Praxis hin und her gependelt. Diese nähern sich zunehmend an, unterscheiden sich jedoch auch grundsätzlich in den sozialen Räumen, die sie hervorrufen und den Ökonomien, die um sie herum entstehen. In meiner Arbeit interessiere ich mich vor allem für räumliche Systeme, die sich nicht auf vordefinierte oder feste Rahmenbedingungen stützen, sondern sich eher dynamisch aus sich selbst herausbilden. Dieses Interesse erforsche ich sowohl skulptural als auch klanglich.

MJ: Kannst du das noch etwas ausführen?

JO: Meine Malereien zum Beispiel, die ich auf gefaltete Leinwände anfertige, enthalten weder Perspektive noch klare Linearität, sondern eher eine Art Schwerkraft, die sich dehnt und den Bildraum in sich zusammenfallen lässt. Ähnlich betrachte ich auch meine Kompositionen als sich immer neu entfaltende Räume. Ich benutze dafür sich wiederholende Texturen und Samples und überlagere diese zu einem dichten sensorischen Geflecht, das sich so anfühlt, als könne es sich immer weiter erstrecken. Allerdings habe ich für mein Album “The Itch” neues erprobt. Ich hatte mir vorgenommen, eine Pop-Produktion zu machen. Daher sollten die Tracks auf dem Album geschliffener, ‘abgeschlossener’  klingen.

MJ: Gibt es auch Tage, an denen du dir klar vornimmst, an was du arbeiten möchtest? Was sind deine Impulse?

JO: Es ist auf jeden Fall sehr intuitiv. Ich warte eigentlich immer auf einen Anlass, um meine Arbeiten umzusetzen. Wenn gerade kein Projekt ansteht, dann sammle ich hauptsächlich Material: Objekte, Bilder, Textilien, Melodien, Wörter… Dinge, die aufgrund ihrer Beschaffenheit, Interesse erwecken oder eine emotionale Bedeutung für mich haben. Aufbewahrt enthalten sie einen Gedanken oder ein Gefühl, bis ich sie zu einer neuen Gegebenheit wieder einsetze. Wie beim Sampling in der Musik, vermische ich auch gerne materielle "Ausschnitte". So entstehen dann oft meine skulpturalen Arbeiten.

MJ: Dein neues Album “The Itch” wurde kürzlich im Berliner Projektraum Ashley veröffentlicht. Mit welchen Themen hast du dich bei der Entstehung auseinandergesetzt?

JO: Inhaltlich wollte ich mit “The Itch” eine Art Spannungszustand zwischen zwei widersprüchlichen Verlangen schaffen. Einerseits beschreibt das Album den Wunsch, dem eigenen Sein zu entfliehen, andererseits enthält es auch eine Sehnsucht nach Verortung und Verbundenheit. Diese Dissonanz durchdringt alle Tracks und “juckt” die Zuhörer*innen.

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MJ: Was waren deine Erfahrungen mit der lyrischen Ebene? Wie haben sich deine Songtexte entwickelt?

JO: Es fällt mir immer sehr schwer mit Sprache zu arbeiten bzw. von Grund auf einen Text zu schreiben. Deswegen habe ich für die Lyrics auch mit Fundstücken und Samples gearbeitet. Ich habe ein sehr langes Textdokument angelegt mit Wörtern, Sätzen und Sprach Fragmenten, die aus unterschiedlichen Quellen stammen. Manchmal waren es auch einfach Lyrics, die ich von anderen Songs missverstanden habe. Ich finde es interessant, wie die Bedeutungs- und die Klangseite der Sprache miteinander neue Assoziationen hervorbringen, die von der eigentlichen Bedeutung abweichen oder diese stützen. Als sich dann genug Text angesammelt hat, habe ich damit sehr lange rumprobiert, kombiniert, ausgetauscht... bis es mir gefallen hat, wie die Wörter klingen und welche Bedeutung sie dadurch annehmen.

MJ: Welche Aspekte waren für dich bei der Gestaltung der Show wichtig?

JO: Weil es ein Self-Release war, konnte ich die Veröffentlichung glücklicherweise sehr frei gestalten. Ich wollte das Album auf verschiedenen sinnlichen Ebenen erfahrbar machen und besonders interessant dabei fand ich zu sehen, wie verschiedene physische, mentale und soziale Räume durch die Musik entstehen können. 
Auf einer musikalischen Ebene ist “The Itch” stark emotional aufgeladen und umschreibt das Gefühl, in Raum und Zeit verloren zu sein. Es ist ein dissoziativer Seinszustand, der mit einer geteilten Realität bricht und versucht, diese durch melodisch wiederkehrende Erinnerungen wieder zusammenzusetzen. Die Ausstellung im Projektraum Ashley war wiederum eine physische Mise-en-scene des Albums und fungierte buchstäblich als Bühne. Sie eröffnete mit der Live-Aufführung der Musik aus “The Itch” und versuchte mit der Bühnenpräsenz von “Iku” die Aufmerksamkeit zurück auf den Körper als Ort physischer und emotionaler Erfahrung zu lenken. Parallel zum Auftakt des Albums wurden Skulpturen ausgestellt, die mit Textilien, Licht und Ton spielten. Zusammen bildeten diese Elemente eine Kulisse, die an Orte des Musikkonsums, wie Clubs oder Konzert Venues erinnerte, und bezogen diese somit in den Ausstellungsraum mit ein. 
Eine Website ist momentan auch noch in Bearbeitung. Sie dient sowohl als Dokumentation des Events bei Ashley, als auch als audiovisueller Listening Room. Ich möchte durch Videos, Fotos und 3D Scans die physischen Elemente der Ausstellung einbringen, wobei aber der gemeinschaftliche Aspekt des Events wegfällt und somit nur eine virtuelle Spiegelung des Projekts bleibt. 

MJ:  Da wir gerade von Räumen sprechen, in welchen Räumen fühlst du dich wohl?

JO: Ich fühle mich am wohlsten in Räumen, die eine materielle Familiarität für mich haben. Ich mag es, Objekte um mich herum zu haben, die sich wie eine Erweiterung meiner selbst anfühlen. Die sinnlichen Beziehungen zu diesen Orten und meine Spuren quasi in Ihnen wiederzufinden gibt mir ein Gefühl der Beständigkeit. 

MJ: Da kommt mir gerade dein Konzert Confinement in D minor aus dem Covid Jahr 2021 in den Sinn…

JO: “Confinement in D minor" entstand ursprünglich als Online-Performance für Club Quarantine, eine Online-Tanzparty, die während der Pandemie COVID-19 einen digitalen Raum für die queere Community ermöglichte. Die meisten von uns waren damals in Quarantäne und daher habe ich das Video alleine von Zuhause gedreht. Mich interessierte dabei die Intimität, die durch den Einblick in das “Zuhause” von jemandem entsteht. Obwohl es mir sehr wichtig erscheint, finde ich es bei Live-Auftritten oft schwierig, gerade diese Nähe zu schaffen.

MJ: Für deine Auftritte gestaltest du deine Outfits oft selber. Welche Rolle spielt Fashion bei deinen Shows?

JO: Ich habe schon immer gerne mit Mode und “Verkleidung” herumgespielt und durch die Performances hat es sich dann recht organisch in meine Praxis eingefügt. Mich fasziniert vor allem der sensorische Aspekt von Mode und Textilien. Ich liebe es, Stoffe anzufassen, Volumen durch viele Schichten aufzubauen, Muster und Texturen zu kombinieren. Es spiegelt auch auf gewisse Art meine Musikproduktion wider, die stark von diesem Layering Gedanken geprägt ist. 

 
 
 
 

MJ: Was war dein schlimmstes Live-Erlebnis?

JO: Ich habe als Kind Klavier gelernt und es gab in der Schule Abende, wo die Schüler für die Eltern gespielt haben. Ich hatte eigentlich nie Probleme damit, bis ich eines Tages trotz guter Vorbereitung einen Blackout auf der Bühne hatte. Ich wusste nicht mal mehr die erste Note. Seitdem habe ich vor jedem Auftritt hemmendes Lampenfieber.

MJ: Und konntest du eine Technik entwickeln, die dir hilft dich zu entspannen?

JO: Es hilft vielleicht ein wenig, einen "Charakter" einzunehmen. Das passiert für mich dann hauptsächlich durch die Kostüme. Trotz Lampenfieber finde ich aber auch, dass mir die Performances eine wertvolle Entwicklung ermöglicht haben. Durch die Bühnenpräsenz habe ich einen neugierigen Blick auf das Element der Bühne und die Potenziale, die diese birgt, entwickelt. Ein Blick, der den Umweg über meine skulpturalen Arbeiten nimmt.

MJ: Gibt es Menschen aus deinem Umfeld, die du an dieser Stelle gerne erwähnen möchtest? Mit wem arbeitest du gerade zusammen? 

JO: Ich finde eigentlich alle meine Freunde spannend und inspirierend. Besonders schön ist es immer, wenn man zusammen an etwas arbeiten kann. “The Itch” ermöglichte mir zum Beispiel die Zusammenarbeit mit Joon Yeon Park, die das Cover Artwork gestaltet hat. Ich bin ein großer Fan von Joon’s Malereien, Drucken und Patchworkarbeiten. Durch die Verwendung von Mustern, Dekoration und Ornamentik haben ihre Werke einen verspielten, sinnlichen Charakter, hinter dem sich allerdings eine ausgesprochen akribische Technik verbirgt. 
Mit François Pisapia habe ich über die letzten zwei Jahre an einer audiovisuellen Performance gearbeitet, die die Entwicklung des Albums immens beeinflusst hat. 
Francois arbeitet mit Video, Fotografie und Text. Ich bin immer wieder erstaunt über seine Fähigkeit, Elemente des Dokumentarischen und der Fantasie nahtlos miteinander zu verbinden. Es ist eine ganz sorgsame Annäherung an das Gegebene und dabei entsteht Nähe, die für den Betrachter sehr spürbar wird.
Im Moment kollaboriere ich mit Yong Xiang Li an einem Soundtrack. Obwohl er hauptsächlich mit Malerei und Skulptur arbeitet, tauchen auch immer wieder mal (Musik)videos in seiner Praxis auf. Da die Arbeit noch in Entstehung ist, kann ich nicht so viel darüber erzählen, aber wir produzieren wieder einen Cover Song mit überarbeiteten Lyrics. Ähnlich wie Yong Xiang in seinen Videos den Lyrics von existierenden Liedern eine neue Bedeutung verleiht, erstellt er auch in seinen anderen Werken geschickte und humorvolle Neuformulierungen kultureller und historischer Narrativen.

 
 

Weaving wistful, introspective lyrics into a densely layered landscape of samples and sonic textures, “The Itch” interrupts reality and inserts an altered state of being—outside consensual time and space—in the here and now. If reality posits a stable relation between body, consciousness, and environment, “The Itch” longs for its reversal: An oscillating movement, floating without ground, piecing reality back together through melodically recurring memories. In another register, one would call this desire. In yet another, the virtual.

 
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A Space with Multiple Layers: Johanna Odersky releases "The Itch"
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A SPACE WITH MULTIPLE LAYERS:
JOHANNA ODERSKY RELEASES "THE ITCH"

Just moments away from Johanna Odersky's album launch and the multifaceted exhibition set to grace Berlin's Projektraum Ashley, I found myself immersed in conversation with the artist and musician at her studio nestled outside the bustling city. Together, we embarked on a journey exploring the nuances of spaces, emotions, and the transformative effects of sampling on her artistic practice.

 

Marc Jauss: Where are we located right now?

Johanna Odersky: We are in my art studio in Französisch Buchholz, Berlin.

MJ: What are the themes you are currently exploring in your work?

JO: In recent years, I have been oscillating between a sculptural and a musical practice. These two approaches are increasingly converging, but they also fundamentally differ in the social spaces they evoke and the economies that emerge around them. In my work, I am particularly interested in spatial systems that do not rely on predefined or fixed conditions but rather dynamically emerge from within themselves. I explore this interest both sculpturally and sonically.

MJ: Could you elaborate on that a bit more?

JO: For example, my paintings, which I create on folded canvases, lack perspective or clear linearity. Instead, they embody a kind of gravity that stretches and collapses the pictorial space within itself. Similarly, I view my musical compositions as continuously unfolding spaces. I use repetitive textures and samples, layering them into a dense sensory mesh that feels like it could keep expanding indefinitely. However, for my album "The Itch," I experimented with something new. I set out to create a pop production, so the tracks on the album were intended to sound more polished and "complete."

MJ: Are there also days when you have a clear intention of what you want to work on? What are your impulses?

JO: It is definitely very intuitive. I usually wait for an occasion to realize my work. If no current project is lined up, I mainly collect materials: objects, images, textiles, melodies, words... Things that, due to their nature, spark interest or have emotional significance for me. When preserved, they contain a thought or a feeling until I use them again in a new context. Just like sampling in music, I also enjoy mixing material "clippings." This often results in my sculptural works.

MJ: Your new album "The Itch" was recently released at Ashley in Berlin. What themes did you explore during its creation?

JO: Conceptually, with "The Itch," I wanted to create a tension between two contradictory desires. On one hand, the album describes the desire to escape one's own existence, while on the other hand, it also contains a longing for grounding and connection. This dissonance permeates all the tracks and "itches" the listeners.

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MJ: What were your experiences with the lyrical aspect? How have your song lyrics evolved?

JO: I always find it very challenging to work with language or to write text from scratch. That's why I also used some form of sampling for the lyrics. I created a very long text document with words, sentences, and language fragments from various sources. Sometimes they were simply lyrics that I misunderstood from other songs. I find it interesting how the meaning and the sound aspect of language can create new associations that deviate from, or support the original meaning. Once enough text had accumulated, I spent a long time experimenting with it, combining and replacing different parts.. until I liked how the words sounded and the meaning they took on as a result.

MJ: Which aspects were important to you when conceptualizing the show?

JO: Because it was a self-release, I was fortunate to have a lot of freedom in shaping the release. I wanted the album to be experienced on different sensory levels, and what I found particularly interesting was seeing how different physical, mental, and social spaces can emerge through the music.
On a musical level, "The Itch" is highly emotionally charged, describing the feeling of being lost in space and time. It represents a dissociative state of being that breaks with shared reality and attempts to piece it back together through melodically recurring memories.
The exhibition at the Ashley project space, on the other hand, was a physical mise-en-scène of the album and literally served as a stage. It opened with a live performance of the music from "The Itch" and aimed to redirect attention to the body as a site of physical and emotional experience with the stage presence of "Iku." Alongside the album's launch, sculptures were exhibited, incorporating textiles, light, and sound. Together, these elements formed a backdrop reminiscent of music venues such as clubs or concert venues, thus incorporating them into the exhibition space.
A website is currently being developed as well. It will serve as documentation of the event at Ashley and as an audiovisual listening room. Through videos, photos, and 3D scans, I want to incorporate the physical elements of the exhibition, although the communal aspect of the event will be absent, resulting in a virtual reflection of the project.

MJ: Since we’re talking about spaces, in which spaces do you feel comfortable?

JO: I feel most comfortable in spaces that have a material familiarity to me. I enjoy having objects around me that feel like an extension of myself. Finding the sensual connections to these places and rediscovering my traces within them gives me a sense of continuity.

MJ: Your concert "Confinement in D minor" from the Covid year 2021 comes to mind...

JO: "Confinement in D minor" was originally developed as an online performance for Club Quarantine, an online dance party that provided a digital space for the queer community during the COVID-19 pandemic. At that time, most of us were in quarantine, so I filmed the video alone from my apartment. I was interested in the intimacy that arises when you get a glimpse into someone's "home." Although it seems very important to me, I often find it difficult to establish this kind of closeness during live performances.

MJ: You often design your own outfits for your performances. What role does fashion play in your shows?

JO: I have always enjoyed playing with fashion and "dressing up," and through my performances, it has naturally integrated into my practice. I am particularly fascinated by the sensory aspect of fashion and textiles. I love the tactile experience of touching fabrics, building volume through layers, and combining patterns and textures. It also reflects, in a way, my music production, which is heavily influenced by the idea of layering.

 
 
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MJ: What was your worst live experience?

JO: As a child, I learned to play the piano, and there were school events where students performed for their parents. I never really had any issues with it until one day, despite being well-prepared, I had a blackout on stage. I couldn't even remember the first note. Since then, I have had crippling stage fright before every performance.

MJ: And were you able to develop a technique that helps you relax?

JO: It may help a little to embody a "character." For me, this primarily happens through the costumes. Despite the fear of being on stage, I also find that the performances have allowed me to undergo a valuable growth. Through stage presence, I have developed a sense of curiosity towards the stage and its inherent possibilities, which I have further explored through my sculptural works.

MJ: Are there people from your surroundings that you would like to mention at this point? Who are you currently collaborating with?

JO: I find all of my friends to be fascinating and inspiring, and it's always wonderful when we can work together on something. For example, "The Itch" allowed me to collaborate with Joon Yeon Park, who designed the cover artwork. I'm a big fan of Joon's paintings, prints, and patchworks. Her works have a playful character through the use of patterns, decoration, and ornamentation, yet they also reveal a remarkably meticulous technique.
Over the past two years, I have been working with François Pisapia on an audiovisual performance that has greatly influenced the development of the album. François works with video, photography, and text, and I am continually amazed by his ability to seamlessly blend elements of documentary and fantasy. It's a delicate approach to the given, resulting in a closeness that is palpable for the viewers.
Currently, I am collaborating with Yong Xiang Li on a soundtrack. Although he primarily works with painting and sculpture, music videos occasionally find their way into his artistic practice as well. As the work is still in progress, I can't share much about it, but we are producing cover song with reworked lyrics. Similar to how Yong Xiang imbues existing song lyrics with new meanings in his videos, he also constructs skillful and humorous reformulations of cultural and historical narratives in his painting and sculptural works.

 
 

Weaving wistful, introspective lyrics into a densely layered landscape of samples and sonic textures, “The Itch” interrupts reality and inserts an altered state of being—outside consensual time and space—in the here and now. If reality posits a stable relation between body, consciousness, and environment, “The Itch” longs for its reversal: An oscillating movement, floating without ground, piecing reality back together through melodically recurring memories. In another register, one would call this desire. In yet another, the virtual.

 
Yegorka—A Micro-Universe to Belong in
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Lead: Mathis Neuhaus
Interview: Marc Jauss
Image: © Oskar Pawelko

 

There are many approaches to running a record label. Finding a niche and sticking with it is one, sprawling out into many different directions another. Yegorka’s mode of operation is the latter. The label is run by DJ and producer Tobias Lee Christensen aka Why Be and Dan DeNorch, who founded the now defunct party series and label Janus with Michael Ladner. Taking an anything-goes approach to musical source material, Christensen and DeNorch do not give preference to certain genres or styles but often are drawn to projects with clearly traceable artistic identities. They see themselves mostly as facilitators for music they find “inspirational,” as Christensen told Marc Jauss of fromheretillnow. Their conversation, which was conducted on Yegorka’s home turf in Berlin, is printed below.

Yegorka’s approach resulted in a catalogue abundant with artists the label and its founders worked with over the years. Aside from releasing music by artists like Mechatok [see zweikommasieben #16], Ryong, Yantan Ministry [see zweikommasieben #15], and Angel Wei, Christensen also has his own collaborations to show for, including projects with Elysia Crampton and Chino Amobi, and for a recent video he worked with photographer Nadine Fraczkowski and cinematographer Catherine Pattinama Coleman. He traces some of these connections in the following conversation. Christensen also talks about what led him to move from Copenhagen to Berlin, and how his approach to collaboration was shaped by his years using platforms like Myspace and his experience as co-organizer of party series like Janus in Berlin and House of Mixed Emotions in Zurich.

the interview was originally conducted for issue #24 of zweikommasieben, which also featured artists like Nazar, Soraya Lutangu Bonaventure, Milyma, and more, and can be bought here.

 

Marc Jauss: What projects are you working on at the moment? 

Tobias Lee Christensen: A few. How they come together is very different. I’m currently working on two projects for Yegorka. It’s time-consuming work, building it up from the bottom. Artists often deliver finished material, and I basically only have to say “yes” or “no,” but the current project is different: I’ve approached people, and we’re doing the whole thing from scratch. It’s hard to talk about because it’s literally happening in real time. Our only rule is that things take the time they need. I would rather wait for something to develop into something good then to enforce a strict deadline.

MJ: I would like to know more about your background. Where are you from, and what brought you to Berlin in the end? I heard that you used to live in Copenhagen.

TLC: I grew up in the suburbs outside of Copenhagen. As soon as I graduated high school, I went to the city. I never actually thought I was going to move to Berlin because I used to come here for many years. I had a lot of friends who often invited me to play at their parties. I was using Copenhagen as a base and went wherever I needed to be, but then life left me in a situation without a place to stay. I split up with my partner, and a friend from Munich offered that I could stay at his flat in Berlin. I ended up here by chance, and I’ve been here ever since.

MJ: How did you experience Berlin’s and Copenhagen’s music scenes?

TLC: Most importantly, Berlin has a lot more spaces, which changes everything. One thing I kept hearing was that it wasn’t a problem to have a lot of friends in the music scene. Here in Berlin, they would be supportive of each other, whereas in Copenhagen, people are basically fighting for one space. Berlin offers more spaces, more opportunities, and, of course, more events. It’s less competitive in that regard, which is not to say that there’s no competition here, just that the city is so much bigger and more international. And I really like the sense of community that comes with that.

But Copenhagen also has changed since I came to Berlin. People collaborate and find each other in ways that weren’t happening when I was still there. Now, for example, I see the club scene organizing events with the noise crowd, and it really warms my heart to see this because it was something I missed while I was there. In that time, everything was segregated and tiny. It didn’t make sense to me that one small group of people refused to do stuff with another small group.

MJ: I’ve experienced similar things in Zurich: a little town filled with isolated micro-scenes. Nowadays, everything comes together naturally. What do you think are the reasons for this?

TLC: This probably goes back to the 1990s and early 2000s when it was still common to have clearly separated genres. A typical American high school canteen situation with the skaters in one corner and the goths in the other. This has changed a lot, I think. Today, people don’t take pre-defined roles and genre definitions seriously anymore. The 1990s were all about identifying yourself with one fashion trend or one musical genre. I’m sure that inspired a lot of people who came up in this period, but over time, people realized that this was restricting one’s character rather than defining it.

 
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Yegorka marble logo by Kyselina

 

MJ: By the way, I am to send you warm greetings from Lhaga Koondhor. She was one of the people responsible for the House of Mixed Emotions series, and you were one of the first acts to play the series in 2011! Can you give me a little insight into that time? 

TLC: It was really the beginning of all these parties that identified themselves by not being genre specific. It also was a time when Instagram didn’t exist. Well, it did, but it wasn’t as crucial to one’s career as it is today. I remember back then I got booked by both Janus and by H.O.M.E because of three or four tracks on my SoundCloud. I don’t want to be too nostalgic, but it was a very special time in the sense that you had no idea what people looked like. It was all based on music.

MJ: Over the years, you’ve worked with some interesting people. I am thinking about Demon City [Break World Records, 2016], for which you collaborated with Elysia Crampton. How did that come about? 

TLC: The majority of people I collaborated with over the last ten years I met in a period from around 2007 to 2010. It was this weird Myspace time when I literally met everyone. I think that’s also why I still have strong connections with the people I met in this time. This was before any of us got any attention or could benefit professionally from just being friends. Demon City was Elyisa and my first official release although we had already done things together before that. The collaboration was always there, in the way we communicated and trusted each other. It was almost telepathic because we never sat down and decided to officially do something. For Demon City, Elysia just decided to include a lot of her friends to honor these friendships.

MJ: How do you feel about collaborating nowadays?

TLC: There’s definitely a lot more business that goes into it. People are getting more professional and are in a position to make money from their art. I have absolutely no problem with that, but sometimes I just feel the industry’s pressure at work, to which I’m a little bit allergic. I have seen how it has driven people apart, and I have also experienced how it complicates things. I sometimes wished that things happened more fluently or more effortlessly. I have also seen people get ripped off. I personally always aspired to make sure I have the option to not only think about the profits, but everyone is doing it their own way – that’s for sure. And I totally respect everyone’s personal drive or what they consider important in being a professional musician.  

MJ: Let’s talk about Yegorka. You run it together with Dan DeNorch, who also runs the label and the event series Janus. What was your motivation for starting the label?

TLC: I met Dan because I was familiar with Janus as a label and party series. He had booked me for the second Janus party ever, and since then he basically kept on booking me for the party as sort of resident. That was the beginning of our friendship, and I really saw a unique quality in what he was trying to do.  

MJ: What exactly was that quality? 

TLC: Janus possesses a strong sense of taste and a strong belief in doing it their way. It was cool because it was never trying to be cool. It was deeply defined by not being bound to one specific genre, culture, or type of artist. At some point, I think Dan personally didn’t feel like he could go further with Janus, which basically ended in 2017. That was officially the last Janus event at Berghain.

With Janus as a label, it’s been a comparable trajectory, so he asked me if I wanted to collaborate with him on something new. Dan lets me do what I guess he felt he couldn’t do anymore, but we are still finding our roles. From time to time, he gives me input or suggestions about artists or interesting music he has discovered, but my acquisition is mainly based on the people I meet or find inspirational or that I think could do something for us. After that, we discuss what can be done for the different projects. Looking back, Yegorka really came out of Janus, I think. Basically, Dan offered me his platform and his know-how in terms of music publishing, and I was able to plug my ideas into his existing infrastructure. I always felt very safe during this whole process.

 
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Picture: Hee-Seong Han

 

MJ: Yegorka’s 16th release Flagrant Hours by Kittisol came out recently. It is a collaboration between Alexis Chan and Jackie Poloni aka Yantan Ministry. Can you shine some light on the process behind this release?

TLC: I was supervising this project from a non-access point of view and was just kept in the loop on what was going on. I have no problem art directing for myself, but I don’t like to tell other people what to do or how to do it. I like to think that I can trick people into doing something without actually giving them any specific direction, but Jackie and Alexis did Flagrant Hours completely on their own. It only came to my attention when it was already 90% done, which I really like. It gives me a feeling that it comes only from the artists, and I like artists to drive both the visual and the sonic side of the project.

Alexis and Jackie both have their own solo projects, but they really found each other for this one. It was a funny way of perceiving one’s past, present, and future. They were able to focus on exploring new territory by making use of a specifically vocal take on music. It was their first time using their voices as an instrument. In that sense, I helped giving them an additional kind of artistic identity that wasn’t defined by a trend or a demand because there was no demand for anything. They built a micro-universe for themselves.

MJ: Does it often work like this?

TLC: Over the years, people started to understand that I prefer not to be part of that creative process for reasons I’ve already explained. I’m afraid that I end up influencing things too much. For all the recent projects, the artists sent fully formed and developed things, and then it’s just on me to decide whether I want to take that further or not. Then again, the two things I’m working on right now are different because I asked the artists if they would like to develop something for me. There is no common thread or process. I don’t actually have a preference on how we develop the releases. I am essentially just a big fan of music and get inspired by people who have a strong drive and a strong vision. I like to sit back and enjoy something that visually and sonically is already done — and done well.

MJ: Last year, you released your album Caged Animal [Yegorka, 2020]. For the track “Dragged,” you collaborated with Elias Rønnenfelt from the band Iceage. This resulted in a video that was directed by Catherine Pattinama Coleman. In it you are tied up on a chair bathed in shimmering red light…

TLC: I had been planning a video shoot for a long time, but the pandemic kept preventing me from realizing it. Under normal circumstances, I would have wanted to shoot the video in one setting in Copenhagen. What ended up happening was that parts of it were shot here in Berlin, and parts of it were shot by Catherine in Copenhagen. Catherine is a professional cinematographer and was pregnant at the time, which made it even more challenging. I was really afraid of overworking her, but she was really into the project and also suggested her sister Ribka as an editor for the video. In Berlin, Hannya did the rope scene, and the visual cinematography was done by Nadine Fraczkowski.

What you see in the video is actually these four people: Nadine, Ribka, Hannya, and Catherine. It’s all their ideas coming together. It might be the one thing I have ever done for which I never at any point knew how it was going to turn out, and I never really had a clear result in mind other than incorporating what they all brought to the table. I have to say that I become a very evil dictator when it comes to my art and music. When that’s the case, then all the solidarity and all the smoothness and tenderness goes out the window. The video for “Dragged” is maybe the one time I wasn’t dictating or telling anyone what to do. I’m still very pleased with how it came out, and I’ve also learned a lot from it. 

 

Dragged Movie Poster by Dan DeNorch

 

MJ: The pandemic has shown us that there are other new ways to work with people. Where do you see opportunities (and threats) for the future of collaborative work?

TLC: How we do things on the label didn’t change during the lockdown. We actually did more releases during 2020 than in any of the previous years. Our setup is so simple that we weren’t logistically challenged by the lockdown. The shoot for “Dragged” was a very reassuring experience in that sense. If somebody is going to limit us, it’s going to be us ourselves. In that sense, we are our own ecosystem. I am also seeking ways to make the label profitable – not in the sense of me personally being able to take any money out of it, but I want to be able to offer more opportunities. I want to be able to do more ambitious things without compromising our vision. That is something that I am still struggling with: how to raise more funds without compromising in regard to the way we do things. Essentially, I want to give people the best opportunities to present their work in the most nuanced way possible.

 

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A walk with Kashev Tapes
images: marc jauss translation: tina reden editing: caspar shaller

images: marc jauss
translation: tina reden
editing: caspar shaller

 

The Zurich collective Kashev Tapes recently published the sampler Sonic Resistance in cooperation with the Polish platform Oramics. With the compilation, they want to support the Syrian resistance movement in Rojava. During a walk through concrete, bridges and barren meadows, I spoke to some of the members about the current situation in Syria, privilege in the Swiss club scene and visions for a new world order.

Introduce yourself briefly. Who are you?

♢: We are ♘, ♤, ♡, ♕, ♙ and ♢.
Which order this is in is not important. Of course ⚅ and ♧ are missing, they are drinking tea somewhere, 🀨 has to work and 🃟 doesn’t want to be part of our group at the moment.

♘: We are a loose group, different actors keep popping up, others disappear.

♤: We are not alone. For each other and sometimes against each other.

♡: We're Doomers and we’re Hyperactive.

♕: We are part of a scene that organises parties in off-spaces and squats, makes tapes, stages performances, hosts listening sessions, makes interventions, and causes property damage. We produce music, we are DJs, mothers, people in the care sector, technicians, activists, artists, we are friends.


What was the basic idea for founding Kashev Tapes?
 
♤: To give a name to our group. Something to build on.
 
♕: At the time we were doing listening / afterhour / parties in the bunker on sundays, in total darkness. Some of us organised illegal outdoor parties for several years. We were all interested in the medium of tapes, that emerged from punk&noise.
 
♡: We see ourselves as a network with political aspirations and a focus on electronic, experimental techno music. We are a collective with differences our common ground is to combine music and our political perspectives,and to generate publicity.
 
♙: We want to be able to get involved in different ways, avoid production constraints as much as possible, to be able to say no, to be unprofessional, endure dissonance, try out different forms of collectivities and care economies, be allowed to make mistakes.
 
♘: And of course the sound connects us, to not say music. A similar feeling for (the absence of) melodies, textures & structures.


What I always wanted to know; What does Kashev actually mean?
In Berlin there is a junkyard named Kashev. Is there a connection? :)

 
♢: Kashev developed from cashew, but that was too cute for us.
 
♤: Kashev means everything you want. But the junkyard is not far off.
 
♕: it is Swabian and means "no boss“


How important is the DIY idea for your label?

♘: We basically come from a DIY area and see it as an attitude that criticizes the consumer culture of capitalist society. From an artistic perspective it also a means to question the commercial industry and to look for other modes of production and ways of distribution of music and content.

♕: We are 100% DIY and 200% DIT (Do-it-together). Fuck the new world order. Fuck the police.

♤: I don't know, maybe we just can’t afford anything else and would actually like to be a bit less DIY. (everyone's laughing)

♢: Well, again and again the process of making itself is in the foreground - the social moments in which we exchange ideas and divide up tasks that we feel like doing and others that are a bit more tedious.

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The "Sonic Resistance Compilation" has just been released. How did that happen? What exactly is it about?
 
♕: The idea was to support the freedom movement in Rojava (as the area in northeastern Syria is called in Kurdish) and to draw attention to the war of aggression that has been going on there since October 7th. And this in our musical environment, because we noticed that the topic is only relevant in a small circle of people.

The compilation was created together with the Polish platform Oramics, who are strongly committed to supporting female artists in the electronic music scene. How did this collaboration come about? (Where do you know each other from?)
 
♕: I wrote a piece on and with speech recognition systems. Disorder from FOQL (published on Always Human Tapes) accompanied me again and again. FOQL from Oramics was invited to the Rhizom Festival 2 years ago, where a few of us were involved. Since then there has been a connection.
 
♢: At Total Solidarity Compilation we were asked to contribute with a couple of tracks.
 
♡: In October I booked isnt a party at umbo. During that weekend we also organized a queer-feminist vinyl and modular workshop in an art room with her. That's how we got to know each other. Since the collaboration has been very pleasant, we asked Oramics for support with Sonic Resistance. I also have a certain connection to the Polish scene because I am originally from Poland.

The compilation contains 90 tracks by various artists from home and abroad.
What parameters did you set yourself when choosing? Are they all people in your area or have you made specific inquiries?

 
♘: All artists are directly or indirectly part of our networks. We decided against an open call because we would need a lot more time for that - e.g. to master the tracks. During the curation, it was important to us to achieve a gender balance.
 
♕: We actually didn't take the time to come up with a curatorial concept because everything was supposed to happen quickly. We wildly contacted the artists - almost all of them within our network. oI don't know exactly what happened at Oramics, but they also contributed with a lot of artists from Poland.
 
♡: Gender balance is fundamentally important to us, we don't work without it. And from my perspective, there were also specific inquiries. For example to the Music, Awareness & Solidarity with Rojava Revolution compilation by Female: Pressure - a wonderful concept album in 2016.

What is the current situation in Syria and what is happening in Rojava right now?
 
♙: After the major offensive at the end of last year, the Turkish occupation is now pursuing a delayed tactic. The state of war is normalized, whether in everyday life or here in the media. But the next major offensive is expected to happen soon.
 
The war against the Rojava project continues unabated, even if the coverage has disappeared from the daily press. It is no longer the massive air strikes that are supposed to force people to flee, but the increase in violence in the form of attacks on their daily life such as attacks on water reservoirs or wheat silos, kidnapping, torture and direct artillery attacks by the Turkish army and their jihadist allies. Since October 9, 2019, the Turkish military has crossed the Syrian border and launched an aggressive war. These attacks on northern Syrian cities, i.e. the civilian population, have increased again in the past few weeks. In the past few days, civilian settlements in three districts have been the target of massive artillery fire. The artillery bombardment serves to expel the population in order to expand, re-colonize the Turkish-occupied areas and prepare for their annexation. Hundreds of thousands of people have been displaced since the attacks began. In addition, more and more people from the contested region of Idlib are arriving in the autonomous regions in Northeast Syria. They are fleeing both the protürkish jihadists and the bombs of the Syrian regime.

Turkey does not attack Rojava for no reason. In this territory, Kurds, Arabs, Yezidi and others have been building a system of self-government for seven years that is unparalleled in the world. As pioneers and creators of the Revolution of Freedom, it is primarily women who express their strength against this policy to protect the achievements of the Women's Revolution. Rojava is an expression of what social values, women's liberation, self-determination and an ecological, gender-free society - with all its contradictions - can look like. A clear alternative to the state, patriarchy and capitalism.


With the invasion of northern and eastern Syria, the occupying forces want to exercise their power over the societies in the Middle East. The latest alliances and agreements between Turkey, Iran, Russia and other countries are based on the abolition of the self-government system established in the region. At the same time, they want to use this occupation and attack plans to destroy Rojava's positive results in order to reaffirm their hegemony in the region. While the Erdogan government has openly announced this war and its plans for occupation, we have seen in recent weeks that the international community - including the UN - has been reluctant to speak out against the war of aggression, since they too are profiting from this war and co-financing Erdogan’s war of occupation through the EU refugee deal.

You can find more information at:
rojavaagenda.noblogs.org
rojavainformationcenter.com/
anfdeutsch.com/


The revenue of the foundation goes to the Free Woman Foundation in Rojava.
What is the purpose of this foundation?


The Free Women's Foundation in Northern Syria / Rojava, the Weqfa Jina Azad a Rojava (WJAR), supports women in Rojava and Northsyria on an economical, social, cultural and political level, as well as in issues of health and education. It empowers women in their fight against structural violence. The foundation also supports the development of a freedom of thought and of a free personality for women and children (and therefore indirectly also of men). The work of the foundation is aiming for independence, social participation and women’s activities leading towards a new life designed by women. A fundamental goal of the Foundation of the Free Woman is to support women and children in need in Rojava and northern Syria with new personal social projects and support existing projects that aim to support common goals. These include the development of women-centered health work, the right education and training for women, and the development of an alternative solidarity-based community through the establishment of cooperatives.
The work of the foundation is based upon the cooperation with women, organizations and people with different ethnic backgrounds, that support a democraticand ecological society where women are liberated.

What is your position regarding issues concerning the LGBTQIA* community. In the current discourse it is incredibly difficult to behave correctly. Dialogue is often lacking. How do you deal with it?
 
♕: The caution, you may be talking about could be productive.
 
♘: On the other hand, many people have to deal with caution or even fear every day because they have a marginal or even no voice in majority society - which can be for homophobic, sexist, racist or other discriminatory reasons. It's a good thing that certain people have been starting to speak up in the past few years. Even if to some people it seems like a feeling of discomfort is being democratized that way. 
♢: This topic has to be addressed and everyone who tries to do so should be given constructive support.
 
♙: Your feeling should also be taken seriously. However, the conditions under which such a dialogue could take place must also be taken into account.

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I now would like to address the privileges of the Swiss club music scene.
I notice that it has been a trend for a while to stage political statements and underground clichés. 
I often wonder where such changes really happen. What are your observations?

 
♙: We also see that. Perhaps this trend could be seen as a general reluctance to submit to consumer culture. It is of course a farce if only the symbolism is adopted or personal profit is at the center of that work. Of course the question is what does it mean to „really do“ something.? If we talk about political activism, I believe that there is still a gap between the artistic, academic and musical environment and the possibility of making a political commitment.
 
♢: It is not only wrong if a politicisation initially mainly appears as an aesthetic category. This is how many people started to be interested in political issues.
 
♘: In addition to the representational level, it is important to us to also consider other parameters: How is something organised? Who can participate? How do we talk to each other? Who feels comfortable in the spaces that we create? We do stand for exclusive spaces, even if that means that some of us cannot always participate.
 
♕: It is important for me to mention that we don't want to canonize ourselves 
or claim that we have found the Philosopher's Stone. We also reproduce injustices, whether this happens in everyday life or on a structural level. What's important is the ability to listen, to accept criticism and not to look for excuses. The remark that we are accumulating symbolic capital with such a compilation may and should remain in the room.


A lot has happened here in Zurich in recent years. There are many interesting labels, festivals and artists with international reputation. I currently notice an anti-attitude towards regular clubs. How do you experience the scene here in Zurich? What has to change?
 
♤: Clubs, just like concert halls or events, have the property of being active in the sphere of the consumer world. Culture is consumption, which mostly corresponds to a capitalist logic and offers a platform to place statements: For example, a "No Sexism Policy" can offer the possibility to make statements through booking policies and to create awareness around that topic.
 
♕: Yes, it means exposing yourself and position yourself politically, which is not always economically profitable.
 
♘: The local club scene is led by people - mostly guys - who were in the right place in the 90s and 2000s, had the necessary capital and filled the gaps that Zurich had at that time. They have defined, dominated and reproduced their style ever since and see themselves as part of a "functioning" market economy. Not much more will be happening around there. They have to adapt to the conditions, and pay wages, take care of equipment and rent. There is no time for self-reflection.
 
♡: On the other hand, the sound is already developing, we can see that. It just needs more crews who dare to hit the streets again.
 
What needs to change? Not more than a complete restructuring of society with a whole new set of values. That's utopian, but that's why we're interested in Rojava.

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Many actors in the cultural scene are dependent on subsidies. If you don't want to submit to capitalist structures, you need a lot of energy. Energy that should actually flow into making and not in endless applications for competitions and submissions. I often see burnouts and a high level of frustration at not being enough. Many jobs are done on a voluntary basis and without payment. What's your opinion?
 
♤: Yes, just work less. (everyone's laughing)
 
♘: Political work in a radical sense can not be rewarded with money. That would be a paradox in itself. I see my musical work in a similar context.
 
♧: On the other hand, as a professional musician it is hardly possible to forego subsidies. Maybe we only think that just because we live in Switzerland.
 
♙: Not submitting to a capitalist logic is a difficult and perhaps even impossible endeavor, which the subsidy logic fits right in. In the capitalist logic, we are constantly confronted with the contradicting messages "you will make it" and "you cannot make it", which are part of this frustration and drive at the same time. A structural problem is thus being individualized. Creating and testing solidarity structures is perhaps one way of making, also on a musical side, which then also throws energy back and is more sustainable than capitalist forms of recognition.
 
♙: Yes, but we have to be clear about our position, none of us is living off the music we make. Actually everyone has another job to cover the basic needs.



What's next with Kashev Tapes. What are your plans?
 
♘: A next meeting where we reflect on the compilation and plan further steps.
 
♧: We want to make the bunker ready again so that our listening raves can happen again and we have a room for musical exchange again.
 
♕: Several releases are already planned. There are also solidarity raves that we organise with our friends.



Are we all already dead or is there still hope for humanity?
 
♘: There is no option.
 
♙: yes & no :(
    
♧: In no case are we all already dead. There are movements that stand for a liberated and equal society, this is where we have to beginand think further.
 
♕: As Mark Fisher said, quoting Frederic Jameson, "it is easier to imagine an end to the world than an end to capitalism”. He locates this inability in what he calls capitalist realism.
 

What are you dreaming of?

 
♤: Change the world without taking over power .. (everyone laughs)

 
 
Interview: Elephant Château
from left to right: christian schaffner (aka lo.la.), max spielmann, johannes vetsch, b/w-polaroid, approx. 1984, photographer unknown

from left to right: christian schaffner (aka lo.la.), max spielmann, johannes vetsch, b/w-polaroid, approx. 1984, photographer unknown

 

Rare are moments like this: hearing Elephant Château's song "Dreamings" two years ago, I was instantly hooked. Who were the clever people that came up with this strange and beautiful music? A couple of months later, I met Mark van de Maat of label Knekelhuis in Amsterdam. He told me that Maxi Fischer and Matthias Orsett are putting together a compilation of Swiss electronic and experimental music. One thing led to another, and last spring I met up with Max Spielmann in Basel and in December again, this time joined by Johannes Vetsch, the other core member of Elephant Château.

It's fair to assume that your '80s band Elephant Château was rediscovered through "Dreamings". Do you have an explanation why this track appeals to a younger generation?

Max Spielmann: It was really strange. Suddenly, after 30 years, the EP was sold out within two months, with orders coming in from all around the world.

Johannes Vetsch: I think it all began with the blogger Okonkole y Trompa. He started championing "Dreamings."

Max: Someone recently told me he could not imagine such a track being conceived of today. But really, I have no explanation myself for what makes this track appealing. From what I've heard, the track is obviously suitable for DJs. Johannes was originally the one who spent a lot of time working on the song.

Johannes: I found a discarded Bontempi organ whose vibrato was not in perfect tune. That was our so-called harmonic starting point. We programmed the drum track step by step on a Roland TR-606 Drumatix, later on a TR-909, with all the drum sounds that have been loved now for over 35 years. I really like another tune: "Nebellied."

Max: It's based on a classic Swiss nursery rhyme. It's a children's song, but it's also a meditation about death. We created a video for the song. We simulated the moving waves of the sea with plastic and effects of light. It's a bit like "Augsburger Puppenkiste" on acid (a German children's TV show based on the puppet theater of the same name).

How did you guys meet?

Johannes: Max and I shared a larger apartment building with a few other friends. Our soon-to-be band member Christian [Schaffner] had a friend in this house, and I did some jams with him. I met Marlene McCarthy in the graphic design class. We became friends while talking about music and bonded over our sympathy for Captain Beefheart.

Max: Musically, I came from a slightly different place – somewhere between the Art Ensemble of Chicago, Talking Heads, and Fehlfarben.

Johannes: Max started playing with a Casio VL-1, the synth the German new wave group Trio famously used to create its hit tune "Da Da Da." I played saxophone and bass guitar, then Max brought the Roland TR-606 Drumatix and the first analog synthesizer, a Roland Juno 60, into our midst.

max: like johannes, i played the saxophone, but as someone who has asthma, it’s an instrument that’s anything but ideal. and i was magically drawn to the buttons on electronic music devices and he wrongly supposed simplicity of playing the rhythm guitar. i was the biggest amateur in the band. only later i learned about harmonics, circles of fifths and the blues scheme. and it’s true that every step of professionalization also comes with a degree of deterioration because it restricts the freedom and the search for uniquely creative solutions. then christian schaffner joined in, as a guitarist and drummer. the fourth member of the band at this concert was cornelia meliàn. she studied at the scola cantorum in basel and was a very good multi-instrumentalist with a lot of stage experience and strong classical roots. later franziska strebel joined elephant château. she became our drummer and percussionist.

johannes: christian was definitely the most accomplished musician in our group. he had an intense stage presence.

max: there was our first concert at the now legendary totentanz club in basel, a the vernissage of a small book written and published by marlene mccarthy. the performance at the totentanz was a mixture of a concert and a lecture in front of an art school audience.

johannes: we had prepared many tracks for this vernissage, which was entitled news for: or ufos visit the palace. marlene wrote this little book, a collection of poems and thought pieces. because of the concert date we were forced to finish a bunch of songs.

max: that was the case with many of our songs. we needed external pressure to get things done.

max: and everyone seemed to like it. that encouraged us to continue. everyone found it strange and experimental. we found that quite appealing!

invitation to a concert at totentanz basel, 1984

invitation to a concert at totentanz basel, 1984

 

so you continued to fish in a kind of aesthetic otherness?

johannes: it was the early '80s, the overbearing sentiment was to be curious! even if many were still stuck in the '70s.

max: every track we did was like a new continent. we always assembled our pieces differently, building it around a drum or sound pattern, a word, a riff or a fragment of a melody. we were curious about the new rhythmic and tonal possibilities we could explore with electronics. that’s one reason why each song sounds quite unique.

you told me earlier that basel was musically conservative at the time.

max: i saw it that way. craftsmanship above all was deemed to be important! there were very few places for our kind of music: there was only the totentanz, the palazzo and later the kaserne.

johannes: the people in our flat were sympathising with the swiss youth movement of the '80s. they were politically conscious. however, it was troubling when you realized that people still preferred to dance to gianna nanini instead of talking heads! but i was part of the basel scene, i was lucky enough to work with stephan grieder and the second generation of circus, a band that served up a mixture of jazz and symphonic rock. roland fischer and matthias erb were also band members, and why these accomplished musicians liked to work with me, never ceased to puzzle me. it was also challenging because i didn't have the same schooling, the same background.

max: but you had a great sound with your saxophone. this kind of timbre is difficult to achieve from a purely technical point of view. that made you attractive as a co-player.

johannes: as for elephant château, i was more concerned with the harmonic aspects of music and infrastructure while max was tinkering with his synthesizers.

max: on the other hand, we didn't allocate roles in any classical way.

johannes: everyone did everything.

invitation to a concert at alte stadtgärtnerei probably dec. 1986 (alte stadtgärtnerei was occupied from 1986 – 88), basel, double concert with the zurich duo nordland. (artwork: baschi baumgartner)

invitation to a concert at alte stadtgärtnerei probably dec. 1986 (alte stadtgärtnerei was occupied from 1986 – 88), basel, double concert with the zurich duo nordland. (artwork: baschi baumgartner)

 

i take it elephant château was always more of a studio band?

johannes: watching a video of one of our concerts, i had to cringe at my performance. we never had a front man, we did not model ourselves on typical bands. rather, we would look up to der plan. the first lp from daf and an early cassette from einstürzende neubauten was important. this heat, talking heads, arto lindsay or pere ubu.

max: i don't think i was ever really interested in playing live. my worst experience was a concert in the restaurant of the rote fabrik in zürich - people ate while we played.

johannes: i remember the one time when all those electronic devices crashed while you performed. it was a tricky thing – either you found a way to deal with how unreliable the synths were, or you worked with tapes. other than christian, we had no real live experience. i remember performing at the kanzleiturnhalle in zürich. my biggest fear was that stephan eicher [formerly of grauzone] would be in the audience because he was such an idol for us at that time. and then when we went on stage, the first pale face i recognize was his! [laughs] but the concert went pretty well.

what do you remember most vividly about the album release of offshoredrilling in 1989?

max: i had the strange experience of being in a ikea store and suddenly hearing our song "wir fangen mit arbeit an" over the speakers.

where were you exactly?

max: i walked along the ikea hiking trail, looking for something specific which i would find at the end of the path. and then one of our songs gets played and this song in particular!



interview: bjørn schaeffner



please note: an extended version of this interview will appear in the liner notes of elephant château’s release pearls and turtles out on cd and vinyl in april on bureau b.

 dreamings will also appear on the compilation intenta – experimental and electronic music from switzerland (1981 – 93) out on décalé/les disques bongo joe. 





 
LazyTapes: The (nearly) lost interview with Cera Khin
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pictures: cera khin
interview: marc jauss
editing: tina reden

 

During last years CTM/Transmediale festival I met Cera Khin, Berlin based DJ with Tunisian roots, in a breezy-cold passage in front of the Hardwax record store. We went for a small walk through the area and later sat down in a shady bar where we had an inspiring talk about her LazyTapes label, weird horror movies and lots of other random stuff we both liked. I asked Cera if she would like to play at our Rhizom Festival in Zurich that spring, an alternative music festival I was intensely involved in back then. 

Ever since, Cera has been playing her electric music sets all over the world. (She just came back from a three week Asia tour). Her LazyTapes project slows down, disrupts mindless club music and acts as an anchor for me in a world that seems to be moving faster and faster. At this point I want to thank Laura who facilitated this meeting. 

Unfortunately the batteries of my recorder conk out the day I met Cera in Berlin, which I only realized at a later moment, when I wanted to listen to it. Cera and I now tried to reconstruct the Interview per mail. Here is what we both remembered of our conversation back then. 


A lot has happened since our last meeting. Tell me a bit about the evolution of your label LazyTapes. How did it all start? What made you do it?

I remember once I had a dream which is more like a lucid dream, you know the kinda waking dream everything felt so real and I dreamt that I had established a label called “LazyTapes” maybe this idea was always hidden in my subconsciousness? I don’t really know … I had already made some tunes by myself and also some tunes with Ossia then I decided to release them and that the cassette would be the perfect medium to start the label. Later on I released a mixtape from ambient hardcore legend Christoph De Babalon, and an EP from one of my fav producers Peder Mannerfelt. 

My vision with LazyTapes is to release spontaneous music, I mean maybe you would think that a tune is not done yet and you overthink it before sending it to a label;  I'm aware that loads of producers spend shit loads of time to finish some tunes and tend to overthink things & if the tune is done or not but my aim is to release it raw, keep it natural & spontaneous. maybe that's why I called it „LazyTapes“.


Tell me something about your collab with Christoph de Babalon. How did the release happen?

This tape came together very naturally. Christoph De Babalon kindly recorded a special live set for one of my recent Noods Radio shows. It’s fair to say that this effort alone deserves further gratification than a simple upload for streaming purposes, and this quickly became clear when listening to the show whilst it was running on the airwaves. For this reason, we decided to keep this show exclusive to that one-time airing, and to this very cassette and release it on LazyTapes.

 
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Who’s doing all the graphic work for LT? 

Patch D Keyes he is an an amazing illustrator based in Bristol, he really understands exactly my aesthetic & graphic taste.


What made you move to Berlin?

I'm born and raised in Tunisia, it's a small country in North Africa on the Mediterranean coast line close to France & Italy. When I finished my studies in Marketing I decided to go somewhere where I couldn't speak french; as French & Arabic are my native languages & yes I want to challenge myself. Maybe that's why I decided to move to Germany to improve my English & learn German ; I've been going regularly to a German language school now for more than a year and its getting better and better :) Ofc Berlin is an exciting city with its history, background, music & art scene then I ended up staying here;  been here for almost 5 years time flies!


You have just come back from an Asia tour. How was it?

It's been absolutely insanel! I just came back from 3 weeks being in Asia, been in Japan Tokyo for 9 days played in 3 different venues & walked a lot alone at night amazed by Tokyo's neon lights it was absolutely life changing! Then flew to China in Shanghai played at Club ALL stayed there for one night & then my last stop was in India, played in Mumbai & New Delhi, I felt so much good energy during my dj sets! Before the Asia tour I played in NYC & Mexcio City, it's been pretty surreal to me to visit 5 countries and 2 different continents in less than a month!

Towards the end, I was pretty exhausted from all the traveling and the lack of sleep but felt so grateful to be able experience all this and play whatever the fuck I want in different crowds and cities around the world.


Your Radio Noods and NTS Shows are covered with an extreme diversity of music genres. How do you prepare the music for the shows?

To be completely honest, my Noods radio show is the soundtrack of my mood. I don't really prepare, it's a reflection of what I would be listenning at home or sometimes it reflects what I would be playing in a club. it's a very spontaneous process! If it's a grey day I would play some obscure sounds to fit the vibe otherwise if i'm excited I would play hardcore & rave bangers.

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We’ve been talking a lot about obscure movies. We realized that we’re both fans of Andrzej Zulawski’s „Possession“, especially the Isabelle Adjani’s Subway scene. In what way do movies inspire you or how is your approach to it?

I'm a huge sucker for old obscure 60s & 70s horror movies, "Possession" is a cult movie, Isabelle Adjani is so beautiful and her role is so striking. I really love Psychological Horror movies but I do think that the Gory ones can be also very entertaining. In these films, the soundtrack is always dreamy, the sceneries are fascinating definitely one of my biggest influences for obscure sonics & dread.


Will you tell me your favourite obscure movies?

My favourite is 'The Innocents' 1961, Daphne Oram did the soundtrack I feel like this movie inspired David Lynch a lot. 'Carnival Of Souls' 1962 is also amazing & I love Rod Serling's cult serie 'The Twilight Zone' 1959.


Recently your DJ gigs have increased. How are you experiencing the time between your home and the club?

I'm actually feeling pretty blessed with all what's happening and embracing it to the fullest. Ofc I struggle a bit sometimes to keep my mental health in balance but I try to do my best to be the healthiest I could be at home; eating good food and going to the gym when I can also I do enjoy chilling with my cat, discovering new music online & making some sounds it all contribute to my inner happiness.


How do you feel about your experience at the Rhizom Festival in Zurich?

It was actually an amazing experience, had an early morning slot and the crowd was so energetic!! 100% good vibes! I really would love to be back to Zurich soon :)


What are your future plans with LT?

I'm definitely planning to release more of my own material, maybe a solo Ep at some point and I'm still pretty open for demos, I actually received loads of them but still figuring THE ONE I would fall in love with to release it. I'm also proud to be able to establish a LazyTapes night in Tokyo besides Berlin and hopefully do more LazyTapes nights around the world? -- 

 
Under the influence with: Eszaid
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Interview: Marc Jauss
Translation: Kezia Salome Degen
Editing: Caspar Shaller

 

I remember this one cold October day in Zurich. Back then, I used to live in this spacious four room apartment in the middle of the city, which had a very modest interior, a guest-bed and a lo-fi stereo unit. My two French guests from Paris, Louis Vial and Cyrus Goberville from Collapsing Market, didn’t need more to feel safe…Later at the club, the front cover of Louis’ Drummachine split off and his phone disappeared under mysterious circumstances. The shattering bass and the cold machine sounds of Eszaid’s live set are still running through me today. A year later, his debut album "Eurosouvenir” came out. So far, this is Collapsing Market’s sixth release. As today’s highlight, Louis talks to me about what inspired him during production.


Hey Louis! Tell me something about the process that led to Eurosouvenir. What has happened since we saw each other the last time?


Hey Marc! I was already working on the tracks for Eurosouvenir when you invited us to Zurich. I even played “Alicante”, slightly different than the album version at that time. I remember being in a period when I was trying to make tribal / industrial tracks around 140 bpm with very few elements to let each rhythmic pattern breathe and have its own impact on the ear. I often get into one or two month long obsessive periods like that, where I try to make a precise kind of track. For Eurosouvenir, we had to pick the ones that, even though they were made during different periods of time, still had a sense of coherence between them. I think that’s how you can build your own sound identity, by being able to separate what’s closer to a simple stylistic exercise - and i’m actually very bad at that - from what really comes out of your own will and creativeness. Since our little trip in Switzerland, I also worked on two sound pieces for a limited edition CD released with “Début de Siècle”, a wonderful book by my friends Kamilya Kuspanova and Anton Bialas. 


Why the name Eurosouvenir?



The name itself comes from the zero euros banknotes that you can buy in many tourists hotspots across Europe. It is an obvious nod to the label’s universe, and it also refers to very personal obsessions about the idea of an ancient Dionysian continent whose beauty and creative strength are only visible through its ruins today. 
I visited Pompeii earlier this year with my girlfriend, a place big enough to walk alone amongst the old villas and temples and to feel a very particular atmosphere. I guess that’s when I realised how powerful the ruins could be. My fascination for an ancient pagan Europe also comes from the first published Nietzsche book, “The Birth of Tragedy”, which is mainly a theory about Greek tragedy as the highest form of art, but also a critique of a world run by rationalism and scientism instead of myths.
 So, you may have already understood it, Eurosouvenir is kind of a pessimistic title, coming with a pessimistic music.





Tell me the story about your Live Gig in Zurich. What exactly happened during the soundcheck?

To be honest I still don’t really know what happened. I have this old Soviet drum machine (UDS Marsh) which is my favorite one. You can hear its crackling and out of tune percussions in 99% of my work. As it’s an old and fickle machine, it decided to stop working during soundcheck. Maybe it’s because of the cold, that’s the most plausible explanation. But just before the gig, it worked again.
And to be totally honest, this drum machine is not exactly mine, but it’s been lent to me for an indefinite period by a friend of mine who used to play in a band called Kill For Total Peace. Unfortunately, I truly fell in love with this cold piece of metal and electricity.


What type of music are you surrounding yourself with at the moment? Or in other words, what music inspired you to do “Eurosouvenir”?


These days, I am rediscovering the records of the French experimental and traditional music label La Novia. I’m particularly into Jericho and Guilhem Lacroux. Apart from that, I almost only listen to dub and reggae at the moment, especially Earthquake Studios and all what came out from the King Tubby’s studio. Likea lot of electronic music producers I guess, I have a true fascination for the dub production techniques, using echoes and reverb, the bass sounds … When I was working on Eurosouvenir, I already had this obsession. You can maybe hear it in «Notre Mer».
 I was also inspired by tribal and ritual music, by immersing myself deep into the Ocora’s catalogue. 




What movies do you enjoy watching?


That’s a good question because I’ve clearly been inspired by some movies when I made the tracks for Eurosouvenir. Almost every title of the LP are taken from “Bassae”, a short documentary by Jean-Daniel Pollet that looks like a poetic statement about the ruins of the Greek civilization. My other main cinematic influence for Eurosouvenir was Robert Bresson. I’m obsessed by the place given to the noises and sounds in his movies, giving a surreal dimension to a rigorous aesthetic and an enigmatic way to lead the narration. I can even say that our first idea with Cyrus and Ethan (who runs / Collapsing Market with me) was to design the artwork of the album and to choose a title that referred to “L’argent”, one of our favorite movies by Bresson. 




You told me a lot about some Parisian exhibitions. When you were in Zurich you went to see “Riddles” from Marguerite Humeau. What exhibitions did you go to in the last couple weeks? Or which one made you feel something?



I don’t really like museums and I’m kind of lazy, or even suspicious, when it comes to art, or I should say, when it comes to contemporary art. Fortunately, I have some close friends like Cyrus and Ethan or my girlfriend who make me discover some great stuff. For example, when we were in London with Cyrus, I discovered the amazing paintings of Justin John Greene. I also recently returned to one of my favorite places in Paris, the Ossip Zadkine’s museum, actually his former house and workshop. A truly inspiring place.

 
Interview: Mark Renner
Mark Renner

interview: marc Jauss
Credits: Brandon Sanchez (RVNG.Intl)

 

Our favourite music institution RVNG Intl. from Brooklyn has recently published a compilation with songs by Mark Renner who originates from Baltimore. All of the pieces were developed between 1982 and 1990. RVNG boss Matt Werth has discovered Renners album “all walks of this life“ at a fleamarket and he was immediately excited about hearing more of this music.

One could not overhear the influence of bands like Ultravox, Felt or the Yellow Magic Orchestra. The latest compilation also hosts instrumental pieces that Renner composed exclusively for an exhibition of paintings. Today Mark is still active as an artist and musician. We‘ve asked him about his recent work, his inspiration and his future plans.

 

Introduce yourself briefly

Hello, I am Mark Renner, a painter and musician.


Concering your work nowadays, what are your main themes?

My visual work is primarily figurative, and has much to do with mining the beauty of the ignoble, the journeys and struggles of the marginalized, sojourners and searchers, usually adrift in some imaginary landscape. My lyrics run in a similar direction, and as I advance in age I find I seek in some way to create elegies forthose I have lost, or in some small way chronicle the lives, profound or ephemeral moments frequently lost inliving.


How do you make a living as an artist?

I have exhibited my visual work in galleries, museums festivals and fairs In the US and Europe and have been fortunate to sell paintings and be granted financial awards. In addition, my recordings are available thru the usual download companies, as well as Bandcamp, CD Baby, Amazon etc.

What inspires you?

The constant challenge of converting the inward swellings of the imagination to canvas or in music and song.

What books are you reading at the moment?

The Soul and Barbed Wire – an introduction to Solzhenitsyn (an academic appraisal of his writings), The Birds - Tarjei Vesaas, The Bible, John Minton: Dance Till the Stars Come Down- Frances Spalding.

What kind of music are you listening to at the moment?

Tomotsugu Nakamura - An Opened Book in the Dark.
Dead Light- Dead Light. Ian William Craig - SlowVessels.
Max Richter - Sleep


Talk about Baltimore, how is it like to live there?

The city, as with many other post- industrial ports and cities of America has struggled through the past few decades with the demise of major employers as, well as crime and drug addiction. I’m afraid the blight and crime that usually captures the major headlines, eclipses the good and the individuals that are working to make their city better.


What about your research in field recordings? I heard you were in Switzerland. Tell us about the process, what kind of sound did you capture?

I had come primarily to visit Montagnola, near lake Lugano, en route to Italy. There were several things that captivated me- organ practice in a small chapel in Zurich, and the way the muted sounds floated as approaching the closed doors, the morning birdsong , as well as a student struggling on a grand piano in a chamber, resounding through the halls of an inn where I was staying.


After the nineties you were a humanitarian worker in Ethiopia. What did you experience?

It is a project I am still involved with. Aside from the obvious disparity in economic opportunity and dangerous environmental health conditions and the deep and continuing devastation from HIV/ AIDS, it was an immediate, and humbling exposure of the blessings taken for granted in the West/ my own country and life, and the imperative to consider “ the least of these “. It has also been a delight in each subsequent return, to see the impact the project has made in the lives and families of the beneficiaries, and now with ARV medication, how women and children who once viewed an HIV+ diagnosis as a death sentence, have an opportunity to lead relatively normal lives and somehow find hope for the future.


Many of your instrumental and wordless pieces were used for your sound installations. Tell us about combining sound and space.

Initially I viewed it as creating an atmosphere, to augment a personal viewing. In providing cassettes/headphones as an option to those viewing the work, it became an individual, enclosed experience. Later, in a different exhibition, I had the audio works playing aloud in the gallery. I think I prefer to offer it as a personal , solitary experience as I sense that the impact of the recorded work can at times suffer due to the din and incidental sounds of activity within the gallery.


Are you happy with the reissue on RVNG? How everything happen?

I am glad to see the label growing, and seeking to produce and introduce the work of artists often laboring in obscurity, to a wider audience. My relationship with RVNG was initiated by Matt Werth who contacted me about one of the songs on the recording. We corresponded and he mentioned his label and sent me some of his earlier releases. At the time, I had been contacted by someone in Europe looking to re- release my first two albums and I asked Matt if we could postpone our discussions for a few months until I heard back from the other label. As it transpired, things didn’t materialize, so Matt and I began corresponding as he informed me of the package that he wanted to put together. RVNG was patient while I combed through the pieces I hads aved, contacted former bandmates, sifted through basements and attics to see what was still available from that period. I think they went to great care to try and preserve the music from the various sources I could find to work with. I suppose the best thing I could say about it is that they didn’t attempt to assemble a “Best of “ package, to me it is more akin to an artists sketchbook that represents the idea without the gloss applied in the final execution.


What does sound mean to you?

My father is completely deaf. Years after losing his hearing, he told me that he has missed music more than he has missed being able to hear voices. Music, the sounds and melody, tones and chords enrich life and for me, provide hints of the Divine. Sound is curious in its ability to arrest one’s attention, to calm or excite, to transport, or repel.


What are you future plans?

I am concluding work on a brand new record : Seaworthy Vessels are in Short Supply. I am hoping to have it completed by the middle of April, for an autumn release. Along with this I have another recording of wordless pieces: Salt and Firewood. This will be the 30th year since my album- Painter’s Joy was released, and I am planning a cd/dl release with bonus material included. Additionally, I have an exhibition of my visual work opening in Dallas, at the end of June.

 
Rick Cuevas - Interview
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image: zru-vogue, 1984
Interview: Marc Jauss
Credits: Vincent Nomad

 

It’s always exciting to rediscover old music, especially it when suddenly affects the zeitgeist in a current way. This happened with the track “The Birds” by Californian musician Rick Cuevas. Cuevas, incidentally, is one of the founding members of the avant-pop band Zru Vogue. I had the pleasure of asking Rick some questions about the past days.


Hi Rick. Please tell us about the spirit in the early eighties in San-Francisco. How was the musical and political climate? Where you used to play? 
 

Hi Marc: The early eighties was a strange time. Of course, the assassination of John Lennon had happened fairly recently (December 1980), Ronald Reagan was President, and my art band Zru Vogue was about 4 years old at that time. The music scene was OK..we were big fans of the british group, The Stranglers…we loved Kraftwerk.. we loved Brian Eno and Roxy Music. My 1980-present band Zru Vogue (founded by me and my longtime music friend Andrew Jackson) played a few shows in the San Francisco area here. We did one show in San Francisco with all 4 original members, at a club called "The Savoy Tivoli" in the italian district of SF. 2 members left the group shortly after that. Andrew and I continued with Zru Vogue and did a show in San Francisco with the Scottish band "Blue Bells" at a club called "The I-Beam"… we played 4 shows in our home town of Palo Alto at a club called "Keystone Club"… we were all working regular jobs and doing music on the side, as a hobby, etc.  Zru Vogue had a minor break-up in 1985..and we re-formed the group in 2002 (after both Andrew and I had families and children,and did other music projects in between,  etc.). from 1987 to 1994 I was a member (bass) of the comedy punk band "Electronic Voice Phenomenon" (EVP), from this area as well.


What musical influences have shaped you in this time ?

Well, in general, I was a child of the 1960's..therefore The Beatles, The Stones, The Who, Jimi Hendrix had the first impact on me… later in the 1970's when I started playing guitar, groups like Queen (first 3 albums), Mott the Hoople, Deep Purple, and even Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young had an effect. And then later Elvis Costello, The Stranglers, Brian Eno, Roxy Music, King Crimson, and a little Frank Zappa..all had an effect on me. Additionally, my parents were involved with Opera singing. I went to many Operas as a child and as young adult….so that music, Puccini, Verdi, et al, went into my brain as well….
 

Your solo-album “Symbolism” was straight self-published. What was your main motivation to do this? Heretical question at this point: No interest by the record companies at all?  

Ha! good question… actually, I did try to submit my music to record companies in Los Angeles/Hollywood, and yes, they did not accept it. The reasons they gave was like "it is good music, it is just not "Los Angeles" enough"  …whatever that means… actually, I took that as a compliment.. I believe it meant it was fairly original or different, and they were not able to fit it into the groups of music styles at that time. So, yes, I had already some financial help from my parents, and the parents of some of the other members, when we released the first Zru Vogue vinyl album in 1982, as well as the vinyl 33rpm EP called "Bandit Ducks from Outer Space" by my other band "Science Patrol". Andrew was part of that as well. So, putting out this solo album was indeed an exercise in egoism :) it was the first of many solo albums. I am currently working on number 18. and don't worry, I am a heretic as well :) 
 

What was your inspiration to make this record ? 

My inspiration to make this record probably has many reasons, and no reasons at the same time. It was in early 1984 that I bought (and I still have!) a Yamaha 4-track cassette machine, with a patch-bay. I thought that was very advanced at the time. It was expensive at the time, but the local music store had a process where you could pay it all in 3 months… that made it easier to deal with. anyway, I started making a bunch of recordings, including songs that had backwards guitar solos, etc. I was able to flip the cassette around and play a guitar solo over the backwards music… then I flip the cassette so that the music is forward and the solo is now backwards… it was also during this time I bought a delay unit, also made by Yamaha… this was the first time I started making the delay time match the tempo of the song.. Today, the digital recording programs automatically synchronize the delay time with the tempo that is set for the song being recorded. so, anyway, I was enjoying the way my home recordings were sounding, and I played the music for my dad. he liked it. and so I asked my dad if he could help me with the cost of making the album. he said yes. My father was a great opera singer and piano player…so the fact that he liked the music, made me feel like I was doing something of worth.
 

How high was the costs at this time do print a LP?

Oh, I don't really remember well…. maybe $600 USD for 200 copies? with very basic white covers...


During the listening of “Symbolism” a very outstanding track called “The Birds” caught my ears. My immediate reaction was: 1984? No way! Can you tell us something about the recording?
 
Ha! yes, actually, this is one of my favorites too…and other folks over the years have said that "The Birds" was a song that caught their attention. again, here I used my method of setting the echo or delay to match the timing of the song. I also used a Yamaha drum machine (I still have it). I also used a little Yamaha synthesizer, a CS-01, mono-phonic…which means it only plays one note at a time. one cannot not play chords with it.  So i used the synthesizer as a bass pad, and for the high solo at the end… i was also very interested in hypnotic guitar riffs… thus I double-tracked the hypnotic guitars on that song. By the way, the Sybolism album was recorded in my friends big studio, on 2-inch reel-to-reel tape…and 16-tracks… by the way, I re-recorded this song in my home studio in 1998…using an 8-track half-inch reel-to-reel machine.
 

You were also a member and founder of the surrealist rock band Zru Vogue. How did it happen ? 


Well, this group has its roots in the fact that Andrew Jackson and I started playing guitar together in late 1972, when we were 14, in Junior High School… when we got to High School in 1974, we formed a group called "idiot" (from Shakespeare's Macbeth…life is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, and signifying nothing)  … it was Andrew and me on guitars, along with Tad Williams (a science fiction author now, he wrote Otherland, a big success in Germany). Tad was our lead singer and lyrics writer. we had Tom Sanders on bass, and Paul Almeter (first drummer) and Patrick Coyne (second drummer). Idiot existed from late 1974 to late 1977; we were a teenager band that was ahead of the times! We played original glitter rock stuff…and played some shows in San Francisco in 1977 at the famous punk club "The Mabuhay Gardens"… we broke up after the October 1977 show. Pat Coyne was the drummer then.. 1978, we had a boy pop band called "The PLUS" with me, Andrew, the idiot bass player Tom, and a new drummer, Ted Taylor (his father was a Stanford University physics professor).

That group lasted one year. no shows played.. then Me, Andrew and Tom stayed together and formed an art band in 1979, called 'the random factors'. Tom got a new girlfriend, Nancy… we all had a New years Party 1979-1980 and played as 'the random factors" … so early in 1980 we changed the name to Zru Vogue, with me, Andrew, Tom, and his girl Nancy… we planned to record a 45rpm single..and so in June 1980 we were rehearsing a song called "Blue Room"…it was the night before going into the studio… and the "A" string on the bass broke! Tom was on bass…and did not know how to play a bass with 3 strings, and we had no extra strings around.  I was on drums, so Tom and I switched places.  

Now, I am playing the 3-string bass, Tom on drums, and Andrew on guitar.. Andrew started playing 2 chords over and over, and was singing a melody …I started playing my bass part.. and this mysterious new song came out. Tom's girl Nancy said 'what is that song??" "that is great, we should record that song instead of 'blue room" she said.. so we did, and the song Nakweda Dream became a cult classic song… a song voted by Sub Pop Magazine (now sub pop records, in Seattle, WA) as the best independent single of 1981… and still today, the old members of "idiot" are still playing music together. first, Zru Vogue now is: me, Andrew and Patrick Coyne … and we have another band now called "Savage Roger", which is basically 'idiot' with a new name, it has : me (guitar, keys, vocals), Andrew (guitar, vocals, lyrics), Patrick (drums), and Tad Williams (on bass, vocals, lyrics)
 

You still a active musician. What are your current projects?

My current project is my solo album number 18 called "We're alive". I am almost finished with it.  We are also still trying to finish the second album of "Savage Roger"; Tad needs to fix some of his vocals first.  Andrew and me and Patrick just recently released the 2016 Zru Vogue album "Topsy Turvy World", and I am now helping Andrew with his 2016 solo album… all of these projects have been done at my home recording studio "Zrubutus" , in Palo Alto, California.
 

What kind of music do you listen at the moment? 

Wow, well, I don't listen to much modern day music, except for the music that my teenager daughter listens to… Maroon 5, Miley Cyrus, etc. (she loves the old stuff too, like Beatles etc), and maybe some of the music that Andrew likes, like the Flaming Lips, Aimee Mann, Grandaddy, and other things like that…. plus, Velvet Underground, Lou Reed, Nico, Wire, The Residents,….and still, some Opera music :) 

 
 
An Interview with: JJ Funhouse
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Interview: Marc Jauss
images: JJ Funhouse

 

Hello! Well, first I’d like to express my absolute enthusiasm for your lovely work. I have rarely encountered a label with such a Individual and innovative spirit. It will be a particular pleasure to find out a bit more about the architecture of Jj Funhouse. Please introduce yourselves briefly…


Thank you :) Jj funhouse was originally the name for a karaoke bar we were trying to set up. But time went by while dreaming about this setting, and all of a sudden Milan Warmoeskerken made this great album (as C.Young) in two weeks time. We loved it and decided to release his 10”, Daily’s. So the plan for the karaoke bar evolved into a label. :-) We saw it very widely—more like a platform for everything we like and want to give some sort of form to. So the name Jj funhouse was quite soothing. These two and a half years that we’ve existed, we can say we’re more of a record label, and we definitely enjoy being one.


What is the vibe like in Antwerp at the moment (politically or musically)?

Musically: the ‘creative’ people of our government made these million-euro trash bins in the form of a jukebox. When you put your trash in them, they sing you a song: “Hit me baby one more time”; “That’s the way, aha aha, I like it, aha aha” … It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen, and it makes me mad that money goes into this project and that less and less money goes to interesting cultural organizations. 

We have a lot of interesting and creative people living here, and because it is a small town, it’s easy to meet and get to know each other. I believe a lot of good and interesting music is coming from Antwerp. The last couple of years, a lot of people have been setting up shows again, which is very nice. There’s always something going on.



Antwerp seems to be a very interesting town. Tell us what’s going on!

Places we like: 

Stadslimiet (translated: “city limit”, located at the river De Schelde, which divides the right from the left bank) is a very small place run by Dennis Tyfus (Ultra Eczema) and Vaast Colson. They set up really nice shows. The capacity is super tiny—20 people—and you can say it’s super crowded. Apart from shows, they also have exhibitions at their gallery, Van Steensel & De Caigny. It’s the same space, open at gallery hours, but with white walls instead of their own (all very beautiful) posters as backdrops. 

Het Bos is the new location where Scheld’apen VZW is located. I must admit I truly miss the old Scheld’apen. We grew up with it in our teenage years and twenties, got to see a lot of shows, had some crazy nights there, met a lot of people. Never experienced a place like that one anywhere else, probably because we knew everyone there, shared inside jokes throughout DJ sets, and had late night dinners at their kitchen. It felt like a ‘night’ home for a lot of people, I think.

At het Bos you have The Bosbar. It’s best to go there on a Sunday when Otark is cooking you breakfast. It’s delicious and the menu is filled with recipes and ingredients you’ve never heard of before. They cook with their heart and it’s tasty. When the breakfast club is happening, David Edren, better known as DSR Lines, opens his closet shop. Go there for interesting experimental releases, tapes, printed matter, records… 

For records: crate digging at Chelsea records. Lots and lots of 7”s to go through. Tune Up for your jazz and blues, Fat Kat, Coffee & Vinyl, Wally’s Groove World for your house, techno and electro, Morbus Gravis for your experimental and ambient and a very warm welcome (check opening hours before you go).

For swimming: Noordkasteel (on the right bank) or Het Galgenweel (on the left bank), although people from Switzerland refuse to swim in the lakes because they of course know better waters (and it’s actually forbidden), but we adore it. It’s the only refreshment you can get in this town on hot days, because the bathing boat, a floating swimming pool on one of the docks, sank to the bottom last year after it was open for only one year—typical…There’s also a nice swimming pond called Boekenberg, but on hot days you have to stand in line for a refreshing splash.

Bars: Witzli Poetzli has the best terrace in town, in the shadow of the cathedral. They serve very cheap Pastis, and a glass of rosé house wine is equal to three normal glasses. 

De Kat is an old bar where old (and new) artists come together. 

The Pianobar has lovely piano name cards, and the atmosphere is…wow. 

And then we like to try some local bars. Portuguese ones, or La Boume, our new discovery on the corner of my street. So honest and on the edge, which makes it funny, but the bartender and regular customers are all so friendly and kind. 

Trampoline Gallery: a lot of people we know and appreciate are part of it.



Your label follows a strong overall concept. What were your thoughts at the beginning creating the label?

We both studied graphic design and did a few projects together. These collaborations worked out very well and encouraged us to keep working as a duo. It still feels right. We almost never disagree on anything. Jj funhouse is a label where everything we like is possible as a release or a project. Every idea/release gets a catalogue number, no matter what the medium is, and gets archived. We curate, decide on the format and ‘design’ it. Jj funhouse can be a record, a tape, a book, a picture, a cake, a DVD, a shirt, socks, a place, an event, an idea, and so on…so far, it’s been a lot of music. :)
 

 


Who is responsible for what? How do you share all the different tasks?

I would say we do everything together art work-wise, sometimes even with two behind one computer screen. Or in the case of the new Milan W. album, we marble together, etc.
Other times, one starts and the other one continues. It all goes very naturally. Joke does more communication, and Jozefien keeps up with administration. The more boring tasks like going to the post office, taking care of invoices, etc. are equally divided.

Recently, Milan Warmoeskerken (Milan W., C.Young and half of Mittland och Leo, basically the one that’s responsible for a lot of what we ‘stand’ for) has been hunting for music, or especially for the people behind it. There’s an interesting release coming up.



You guys are quite active: self-organized club nights, print editions, etc. How do you bring everything together? Is it a financial disaster or serious fun?

The club nights mostly come with a release. We are definitely not trying to be a party organization. 



Tell us something about your regular shows at Extra City. What else is going on there?

Joke: I’ve been working at Extra City Kunsthal for a year now. I do administration and assistance in communication and production. Extra City is a Kunsthal (art space) that finds inspiration in the city for depicting different visions of our future by encouraging new links between contemporary (inter)national art and artists, researchers, and city dwellers. 

When JJ009 series came about, Extra City had been developing a new mission and vision, and there was no artistic director, no upcoming exhibition, and no musical program, so I put the Jj series on the table and that’s how we were able to have four nights there with Brahmen Raag, Mathieu Serruys, Floris Vanhoof, and Milan W. in the charming cinema space. It’s totally different from any other release night or celebration night we ever organized. Just one show and that was it—no party or DJs after. It was only four shows and it got a catalogue number as if it had been a release. We do not do regular shows there. And it isn’t part of their artistic program, either. American English?



Here in Zurich it’s quite hard to join forces and find a crowd for experimental music. What are your experiences in your town? 

I think we grew up or started going out at Scheld’apen, which was the place for experimental music in Antwerp at the time. Dennis from Ultra Eczema set up a lot events there. Since that place is gone now, I believe a lot of people are setting up shows everywhere around town. There are a lot of experimental music events going on. Antwerp is really small, and the crowd for this sort of music definitely knows each other and follows where ‘it’ goes. But to be honest, I don’t think Jj funhouse is that experimental.



From my own experience, it’s difficult to work cost-covering in cultural projects. Is there an official conveyor system in Antwerp for events or happenings, music, etc.?

There is but we aren’t familiar with it. And it’s the bigger festivals that get the most out of it and are super expensive at the same time. We run ourselves. It’s not always easy, but we’ll get there … 



A re-release of Gust De Meyer's Casio Works is due out. I read that he co-produced a radio program alongside Wim Mertens back in the early 80s. He was also a professor of media culture and part of the Soft Verdict project.

That’s right. I believe he is still a professor at KU Leuven. We’re super happy we can put this one out on vinyl. He just sent us the original tape. And we are working on the artwork for it.



Your record releases are quite difficult to find. Will there be upcoming re-issues (I just noticed that your Mittland Och Leo LP was repressed in 2015)?

We did a repress of that one because it sold out very fast and because Boomkat and other international shops were asking for it. Milan W. is almost sold out at the Jj stock after less than a month. Maybe we’ll do a repress, but it’s hard to say. We’ll see… 



At this point, what is planned for the future?

We just released Intact by Milan W. and had the release show in Brussels. It’s always exciting to do something outside of our hometown. It was crowded. It was nice to see that people know Jj funhouse and want to hear and experience it. It was a great night.

We’re working on a small Christmas compilation tape that involves all the artists we’ve released in the past and a few new ones. Gust De Meyer is coming up, and we have a couple of other releases in the pipeline that we’d like to keep secret for the moment. :)

 
An Interview with Ashkan Soltani
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Ashkan Soltani, director of “I Know You Well”

 

the los angeles-based film director and author ashkan soltani shot a documentary about jandek together with craig matarrese about one of the most mysterious american musicians with a large international cult following. the film provides rare access to the elusive performer and an intimate examination of jandek's creative process. we have the chance to raise a few questions to soltani himself.
 

- when did you hear for the first time about the musician jandek ?

i first heard about jandek about 4 years ago when he performed at minnesota state university, mankato where i was teaching at the time. i did not know who jandek was prior to that.
 

- who is craig mataresse and how did you meet him ?

craig is the co-producer of this documentary also a former colleague at msu where i used to teach. he is also a superb bass player and jandek’s representatives had approached him earlier about playing bass at mankato show.
 

- what was your main inspiration to make the film ?

i would say it all happened very organic. craig and i discussed the possibility of filming the concert but we were not sure whether jandek would agree with that, knowing his history and the fact that he never appeared in any films or tv interviews before. however, to our surprise, he graciously gave us permission to document the rehearsal and his interaction with other musicians as well as the entire mankato concert. i think it was a mutually pleasant experience for all of us and as a result of that we pitched the idea of producing a documentary to jandek and the rest is history.
 

- jandek was interviewed the first time back in 2013 by david keenen for the wire.
  you were there to film everything. how did that happen ?

 

yes! we were in minneapolis documenting the rehearsal and the concert. that was a year after our first filming session with jandek in mankato. we were working with him between those concerts including several days of extensive filming in houston, texas.
 

- what have been your personal highlight during the shooting ?

we had a wonderful time working with jandek. we had the opportunity to spend many hours discussing music, philosophy, etc with him. some of those moments are documented in i know you well. in general, the whole experience was very unique and pleasant as you may imagine.
 

- after chad freidrichs „jandek on corwood“ you are not the only filmmaker which set the focus on the musician. what is your personal opinion about that movie ?

it is a very interesting film but rather irrelevant to post-2007 jandek. in 2001, when that film came out, jandek did not perform live. jandek started to perform live since 2007. one other obvious difference is also the fact that jandek himself is in the film instead of people talking about him. in other words, "i know you well" focuses mainly on jandek as an extraordinary performer instead of commenting on his music.
 

- who is jandek? can you say that you know him well after finishing the movie ?

he is an unique american musician and performer. we hope more people learn about him and his distinct approach towards the music. we tried our best to capture that and make our film appealing to general audience as well as to his fans.
 

- is jandek we know completely demystified ?

not at all! jandek as a musician/performer is constantly evolving and i believe that  this is what makes his projects refreshing and demanding. we did not want to demystify anything nor did we care about trivial information. that is not the point in i know you well.
 

- what are your future plans ?

i am currently producing two feature-length music documentaries that are in different stages of production. one is a documentary about the counterculture music scene in bulgaria in the past 50 years and the other project deals with the native american heavy metal and hip hop scene on the reservations.
 

- links: where to buy, watch etc ?

we have received many inquiries about releasing the film. we have finalized the distribution through two video on demand streaming providers and everything is ready to go. at this point we are waiting to hear back from the very last batch of film festivals in the short coming weeks. we can not release the film prior to the festivals otherwise the film will be disqualified. meanwhile please follow us on our facebook and twitter page for update. we are very confidents about releasing film in early summer.